innate ability it seems to say the wrong thing at just the right time. that really helps to illustrate and illuminate his boss, barak obama's very odd decisions and policies and judgments. >> bill: but you got to get him there -- if you want to go into gaffeville, you got to get him into that area. now, when you were preparing to debate -- >> you don't have to get him. like i say, it's natural. it's innate. it's been fundamental over these four decades -- >> bill: he didn't make that many gaffes with you. i mean, basically the headline out of the palin and biden debate was that you held your own. that was the headline. it wasn't that biden screwed up. when you were preparing to debate him, governor, did they say, look, this is how you go about it, this is how you get joe biden off track, because look, he's got stuff that he's going to say, he's been preparing, you prepared.